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Postby carls » Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:38 pm

I agree with what alot of the other posters have previously mentioned, you need to go and get a second opinion.

but, as a teacher, i find it really offensive that people automatically say 'the teachers not doing his/her job' as a rule of thumb, the actual classroom teacher only reports any observations he/she may have, its not as though we are all diagnosing children with ADHD and handing out Ritalin at snack.

someone mentioned keeing children back a year: research has proven that the social implications of keeping a child back a year far outweighs any gains they may have with their understandings.

I hope all works out with your son, I just wanted to give an opinion from the other side :)
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Postby Butterfly_Dawn » Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:41 pm

yeah I figured!!!

the guy that came and did a talk (friday seminar) the other month said basically the same thing. It's paradoxical but kids who for all intents and purposes HAVE ADHD seem to keep missing out on the diagnosis, whereas kids who appear NOT to have it get labelled and medicated soon as look at them.
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Postby carls » Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:45 pm

i really disagree with medicating anyone (let alone a child!), I really believe that for a child to be diagnosed ADHD, the child needs to go through an extensive evaluation from more than one professional. I really think its a tag that is a bit of a 'buzz' word at the moment.
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Postby SarahC » Thu Jul 12, 2007 4:33 pm

Oops I didn't mean to offend anyone - sorry! Just my uninformed opinion :oops:
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Postby Ally » Thu Jul 12, 2007 5:27 pm

thanks all for your replies........please let me just say that it is NOT his classroom teacher that has done this it is his maths support teacher (who thinks she is god).....we had report cards home today and the length of report is just pure and utter crap! compared to his other support teacher for language/english who has given him a marvelous report in terms of yes acknowledging that he gets down if he can't grasp things, but also that he is improving and should be proud of himself! gosh it is such a complete contradiction!!! I believe that a lot of my boys problems stem from this woman....she has him 4 hours per week!! there is unfortunately no way we can get him away from her as she is the only support teacher for maths.... :evil:

I have calmed down a wee bit after talking to his classroom teacher this morning who was as shocked as I was at the so-called "diagnosis"........Scott and I have both said that enough is enough...there will be no second opinion, no others "tests" done....we feel he has been poked and proded enough....is it not enough for this woman to try and put her phoney diagnosis onto us she is no the one who has to see his crest fallen little face when he knows that the focus is on him....they are not the ones who have to hold this child while he is crying, heartbroken while saying that he is trying his best, but sometimes things just fall out of his head!! I am not putting him through anymore!! As Jody has stated it takes a long time to diagnose adhd, and this doctor has seen him twice in 8 months.......pfft :?

Having the belief that our boy does not have adhd giving him medication is irresponsible when you consider that if a child without adhd is given this medication it can cause some horrific side effects we feel that we would be utterly stupid to just go ahead with the recommendations....I could not live myself if something happened to him......crap here I go again......is the cranky corner free, cause I am getting all worked up again!!!

Shokoden I don't think you are interfering at all...it is good to know that another child is having similar problems (if you know what I mean)

While I agree that how children are taught to read these days is questionable, I certainly do not blame teachers for it...they have to follow guidelines too....I don't put all teachers in the same basket..

Again thanks for all your replies...I feel that this fight is far from over, in fact it has barely just begun....they have backed us into a corner over this and I will come out fighting :wink: I will keep you all posted
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Postby shokoden » Thu Jul 12, 2007 5:28 pm

I am sorry Carls but i disagree with you

someone mentioned keeing children back a year: research has proven that the social implications of keeping a child back a year far outweighs any gains they may have with their understandin
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I hardly thing social skills are going to get her a job at the end of schooling when she can hardly read or write. Her school teacher last year told me that unfortunately at yr 4 level they either keep up or fall behind and that my daughter wasn't going to make anything of her life besides a check out chick, not that there is anything wrong with being a check out operator. Hence we have since changed schools and found the most wonderful tutor for her.

I dont blame the teachers they have a class of 30 children and cant give one on one attention to the strugglers but had it been picked up a little earlier maybe we wouldnt be in such a hard situation. Can you imagine your child going to school and being handed out worksheets to do and she cant even understand the questions because by the time she has read to the end she can't remember the beginning.
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Postby shokoden » Thu Jul 12, 2007 5:32 pm

Sorry Carls I meant that i dont agree with the research more than disagreeing with you personally :D
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Postby Playboy_bunny » Thu Jul 12, 2007 5:51 pm

Hi ally :)
Im glad that you feel a little (emphasise the word little!) bit better, and its good that his regular teacher is understanding, and supportive of you and your beliefs...My heart just ached when I read your comments about your little boy crying, its just terrible, poor little soul...my niece had a similar problem (although she is dyslexic) I used to look after her in the afternoons, and help her with her school work, and she really struggled (she wrote letters backwards, etc) she used to cry and cry that all she wanted was to be 'normal'...... I just assured her that there is no 'normal' in this world, because we are all different and have different talents and abilities (she is a ballet dancer, so point proven!) and that she was no less of a person, or no less intelligent because she had difficulty sometimes....Its sad that this support teacher cannot be more of a 'support' to your son....Im sure he is lovely, and Im sure you and your husband have made the right decision to let the testing be xx
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Postby Playboy_bunny » Thu Jul 12, 2007 5:53 pm

Oh, carls, I just wanted to add that I dont think its wrong to medicate people at all, if its needed and necissary... some people (including children) DO really benefit from medications, if tested and then monitored properly
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Postby kate_turner2000 » Thu Jul 12, 2007 6:23 pm

SarahC wrote:Oops I didn't mean to offend anyone - sorry! Just my uninformed opinion :oops:


dont worry sarah you didnt offend anyone mate :)
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Postby kate_turner2000 » Thu Jul 12, 2007 6:27 pm

hey ally i was really touched by the fact that chris has been upset by it all. they pick up on things like that. he is obviously trying his best and doesnt come off as a trouble maker or anything like that. you know what is best for him as you are his mum and that maths teacher is not neither is the dr. i can understand you dont want a second opinion and thats fine :) when i suggested it i meant that if this dr is hell bent on medicating chris then further down the track if you are worried then get it checked out by someone else who is unfamiliar with the case. you're doing a great job mum!
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Postby Butterfly_Dawn » Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:13 pm

Ally wrote:they are not the ones who have to hold this child while he is crying, heartbroken while saying that he is trying his best, but sometimes things just fall out of his head!!


Oh don't kids say the most precious things!! Did they tell you whether they knew if it was an encoding or a retrieval problem with his auditory memory?? without being an expert in memory, I would say if it is encoding, then if the information is presented in a non-auditory format (like, say, written or pictorial explanation as opposed to the usual talking-at-the-kids thing) it may improve his lot considerably. My Aunt who was a early primary school teacher for many many years was telling me how she was always careful to present information in a number of ways so that kids who learned in different formats (everyone has their own preferences) had the best chance of learning possible. It might be that the info hasn't fallen out of his head, he just hasn't been able to stuff it in there yet.

If it's retrieval, then the info hasn't "fallen out of his head", it's in there, he just can't find it, in which case the above may still work (cause he might be able to remember better things he has seen rather than heard) or working on recall strategies may assist, like mnemonics (sp??) etc.
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Postby carls » Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:35 pm

you are so right, information needs to be presented in various forms to take into consideration different learning styles.

boys, generally are 'hands on' learners, they need to feel and do, whereas girls are auditory learners (they usually tend to be better at getting a picture in their head)
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Postby Ally » Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:03 pm

Hey Kate....I hope it didn't come across the wrong way about the second opinion....the only paediatrician in rocky for the public system (we can't afford private) has the same kind of attitude as the "specialist" doctor we saw yesterday...hence the reluctance for the second opinion!!

Tegan...my boy has trouble getting the info "in" there, so to speak. he has trouble actually processing and knowing what to do with the things that he is told/taught....I will have to look into it more..I am quite inexperienced when it comes to deciphering specialists notes....but it is quite a signifigant problem and this is the reason why we were supposed to go back to the doctor to see what we could do for him, to help him better, however we got the whole "adhd and medication" drama instead....I am going back to the hearing centre to speak to the lady that did his tests and ask her to explain in simple terms what is the problem....I do remember one thing quite clearly though....she said with the tests performed if the results are all above the "grey" areas on the testing that this would indicate a strong possibility of adhd.....if they were a "mixed" result of both grey and white areas (on the graph) then it indicates the auditory processing problem....he presented with a strong auditory processing problem across many areas of the test.....she was explaining that some of his memory will never improve, but most of it can be with the right programs implemented.....
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Postby kate_turner2000 » Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:57 pm

its ok mate i know what you meant :)
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