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ALCHOL?? CAN I HAVE SOME PLEASE??

Postby anthony88 » Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:23 pm

hi guys, im 19 years old and at that age where my friends usaully go out on friday and saturdays nights to the pub and have a few drinks.... i have cut this back due to me wanting to loose wait and a heavy work load... BUT is it ok, to go to the pub and have a few drinks say once a month without blowing out?? i dont drink beer i usally drink jim beam ((ahh COKE OVERLOAD)) but i really like the social side of catchin up with friends and havin a few drinks.. especially when im more self concious of what i look like it helps me feel more relaxed and confortable ((sad i know)).. mabe i should just have a few cowboy shots or something before i go to the pub that will help me feel more comfortable and relaxed going out without drinking all that sugarie coke in the jim beam???
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Postby electrongirl » Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:29 pm

you could always have it with diet coke!! And alternate alcohol with plain diet coke, no one will know that your not actually drinking!
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Postby bferbear » Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:32 pm

Try vodka, soda and a squeeze of fresh lime.
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Postby hysterical_oliver » Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:37 pm

Look at the nutritional information on your favourite spirits and factor a couple of drinks into your daily allowance, that's probably the easiest way to do it, and have diet coke as a mixer. You're probably looking at about 100-150cal per nip (that's a guess of course) depending on what spirit you have so alternatively you could workout extra to "earn" some free calories. Keep it to a couple so you don't want a kebab on the way home and end up having a massive blow out and you'll be fine.

Remember the key is moderation, everything in moderation. You can have anything you want as long as it's in proportion with your weightloss goals and your exercise regime. If you deprive yourself or everything you are more likely to go and binge and give up :mrgreen:
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Postby leeni.s2 » Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:57 pm

man, this has been hard for me.
cutting out the alcohol i mean.
i was used to partying it up every wednesday and saturday night.
drinking about 20 times more than i should be (its very bad for you, i know!)
and cutting it out has been so hard. especially cos its uni holidays and all you can do it party it up.
i decided that i wouldnt cut back, but cut out.
i have not had a drink, or been out in two and a half weeks.
i know if i go out, i will be tempted.
and i will give in.
it sounds pathetic, but i need a few (and by few, i mean many) drinks for me to have a good time.
on the bright side (or so i say to myself)
if i don't drink, i won't go out.
and if i dont go out,
ill save quite a bit of money
seeing as i usually spend a fair bit when im out.
but what keeps me on track,
is thinking that what is giving up your night life for a few months
if it means, you'll be healthier and happier in the long run? right?
but then i always argue with myself saying that you're only young once.
im turning 20 soon and it scares me.
i dont wanna be older and realise that i never made the most of my youth.
sigh.
but no.
i've been good.
i can do this!
... until my birthday. ahah.

annnyways anthony..
if you wanna drink, i think it was wine that was the better option.. i was told by a friend that it had lower carbs.. thats if you can stomach wine (yuuk) and if you like vodka, steer clear of vodka oranges, apparently thats the worse because of all the sugar in the orange juice!

okay. ill stop talking now. haha.
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Postby Fireball » Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:20 am

Yowl. You feel you wasted your youth? Don't worry about it. You are in your prime. Dream about all the exciting things you would absolutely love to do, imagine if you could do anything and your success was assured, what would you do? Then spend the rest of your life doing it! GO FOR IT.
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Re: ALCHOL?? CAN I HAVE SOME PLEASE??

Postby anthony88 » Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:01 am

yeah i think i might just try the jim beam with diet coke.. the thing is i need a few drinks to have a good night not like 2-3.. what about cow boy shots??? they wont put on any weight and the alchol will make me have more fun while im not drinking all that surgerie coke???
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Postby Czarina » Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:09 am

Cowboy shots actually have a lot of calories, being creamy and sugary...so if you want to have shots, spirits would be much better.
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Postby hysterical_oliver » Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:22 am

Check out this easy to use chart and read some literature then decide for yourself. Your choice.

Alcoholic Calories Chart
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Postby loveat116 » Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:28 am

Alcohol can not be metabolised as fat... sooo... it is unlikely you would gain weight by drinking it (spirits).

So a spirit with a diet mixer would be fine.

Just make sure what you eat with it! Alcohol will rev your appetite, and you will want to eat greasy food. So make sure you eat before you drink and just don't get smashed!
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Postby NewMe » Tue Feb 19, 2008 1:17 pm

I agree with the others about factoring a SMALL amount into your diet. I am jealous as I haven't had alcohol for so long due to trying to get pregnant, getting pregnant and then breastfeeding. Then times that by 2!! I think it has been 3 years since I've been able to have a proper drink and I used to drink regularly before that. I so feel for you too, as not drinking kinda makes you feel excluded from socialising when others are drinking.
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Postby electrongirl » Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:18 pm

(I found this article, thought it might help)


How Alcohol Effects Your Weight Loss - Alcohol Calories & Fat

In the never-never land of diet hype, something new is on the scene—alcoholic beverages labeled for carbohydrate and calorie content, and many of them boasting of low carb beer, low carb wine and “no carbs” liquor. You may not have noticed the labels yet, but they are either in the marketplace already or in the offing. The labeling of beer, wine, and the hard stuff for calorie content is not a bad idea—it is useful to know the caloric content of anything you’re about to consume. But carbs?

Wine producers, on another tack, have lobbied for permission to use a “heart-healthy” label, but the agency with jurisdiction over such matters (the Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau, part of the Treasury Department, which has long regulated the “sinful” commodities, as well as firearms) has been cool to the idea, and has required so many disclaimers that a bottle of wine would need to come with a booklet tied around its neck.

However, though the wine industry can’t simply label wine as having heart benefits, the low-carb and no-carb claims on alcoholic beverages are legal—so long as the labels don’t actually say that they help you lose weight. But, in fact, the terms are now irrevocably linked in most people’s minds (especially young people’s minds) to “weight loss,” “Atkins diet,” or even “better for you.” “Cut carbs, lose weight,” many people now think. “Low-carb” has somehow come to mean “healthy.” Nothing could be further from the truth when it comes to alcohol—and no subject could be more confused and confusing than the effect of alcoholic beverages on weight.

How Many Calories Does Alcohol Contain?

Pure alcohol contains about 7 calories per gram, which makes it nearly twice as fattening as carbohydrates or protein (both contain about 4 calories per gram) and only just under the caloric value for fat (9 calories per gram). This means that if you want to lose weight and reduce excess body fat, alcohol is not a good choice.

Examples of Carb Content in Alcoholic Drinks

Alcohol Item (serving size) Carbs (g)
Beer, regular (12 fl oz) 13g
Beer, light (12 fl oz) 4.5g
Wine, red (3.5 fl oz) 1.75g
Wine, rose (3.5 fl oz) 1.5
Wine, white (3.5 fl oz) 1g
Cider, dry (1 pint) 15g
Gin, Rum, Vodka, Whisky (1 fl oz) 0g
Sherry (2 fl oz) 3g
Port (2 fl oz) 6g
Guinness (1/2 pint) 4g


Knowables and variables

Scientists have not been able to tie alcohol consumption consistently to weight gain. Some studies have found that drinking beer or spirits, for instance, increases waist-to-hip ratio, while some have found no relationship at all. One study showed that among female twins, body fat actually decreases with increasing alcohol consumption. Other researchers have also found that heavy drinking reduces body fat, but still others point to evidence that it raises the risk of becoming overweight or obese. There may never be a simple answer, since there are so many variables. For example:

Genes affect how the body processes alcohol.


What you eat is important—if you consume a lot of cheese or other high-calorie snacks while drinking, you’ll most likely gain weight.


People who drink a lot may gain weight whether they drink beer, wine, or spirits.


But if you drink a lot and the alcohol replaces food and other beverages, you may lose weight, as some alcoholics do.


People in studies are prone to under-report how much they drink, rendering many findings unreliable.
The mysteries of alcohol and carbs

Still, sensibly enough, the first thing nearly all weight-loss plans require is that you stop drinking. (Not the notorious “Drinking Man’s Diet” of yore, a prehistoric ancestor of Atkins, which consisted of martinis, steak, bacon, and eggs.) This is because alcoholic beverages give you calories without nutrition, and they also may loosen your resolve to lose weight and make you eat without thinking. Beer goes with peanuts, wine with cheese. Also, alcohol itself is high in calories—7 calories per gram, almost as much as fat (9 calories per gram) and more than carbs or protein (about 4 per gram). Here are some things you should know about alcohol and nutrition—facts that run counter to what many people believe:

Alcoholic beverages all contain calories, and most of the calories come from the alcohol. (We are speaking about straight spirits, wine, or beer—not mixed drinks made with added ingredients, which can bring calories to, well, staggering levels.)

Alcohol is not a carbohydrate.


Your body processes alcohol first, before fat, protein, or carbs. Thus drinking slows down the burning of fat. This could account for the weight gain seen in some studies.


Hard liquor is distilled and thus contains no carbohydrates. The current “Zero Carb” campaign for vodka and whiskey is baloney and may encourage mindless consumption. It’s like bragging that a candy bar is “cholesterol-free.”


When grapes are made into wine, most of the fruit sugars (carbs) convert to alcohol, but a few carbs remain. A 5-ounce glass of wine typically contains 110 calories, 5 grams of carbohydrates, and about 13 grams of alcohol (which accounts for 91 of the calories). A 5-ounce glass of wine supplies roughly the same amount of alcohol and number of calories as a 12-ounce light beer or 1.5 ounces of 80-proof spirits.


Beer, too, contains carbohydrates. The new low-carb beers are not new at all, though this type of beer does indeed have fewer carbs. Low-carb beers are simply the old light beers with a new label and ad campaign. The old Miller Lite has 96 calories and 3.2 grams of carbs in 12 ounces. The “low-carb” Michelob Ultra has 96 calories and 2.6 grams of carbs. Coors Lite has 102 calories and 5 grams of carbs. The differences are tiny—hardly worth mentioning. In contrast, a regular beer has 13 grams of carbs and 150 calories.
What it all boils down to

In spite of the strong implication that “low-carb” somehow means low-calorie, and that low-carb foods in general can help you lose weight—or, indeed, that they are “health foods”—there’s no evidence this is so, and particularly not when it comes to beer, wine, and liquor. Alcoholic beverages have calories because alcohol has a lot of calories—not because of carbs. The impli-cation that low-carb beers and wine or carb-free spirits are a boon on a weight-loss program is simply deceptive advertising.

What the experts say

Let's take a quick look at what a few of the low-carb experts have to say on the subject of alcohol and low carb diets:



Robert C. Atkins –– the Granddaddy of them all:

"Here's the problem with all alcoholic beverages, and the reason I recommend refraining from alcohol consumption on the diet. Alcohol, whenever taken in, is the first fuel to burn. While that's going on, your body will not burn fat. This does not stop the weight loss, it simply postpones it, since the alcohol does not store as glycogen, you immediately go back into ketosis/lipolysis after the alcohol is used up.

If you must drink alcohol, wine is an acceptable addition to levels beyond the Induction diet. If wine does not suit your taste, straight liquor such as scotch, rye, vodka, and gin would be appropriate, as long as the mixer is sugarless; this means no juice, tonic water; or non-diet soda. Seltzer and diet soda are appropriate."




Drs. Michael R. and Mary Dan Eades (Protein Power)

"Can I drink alcohol on the Protein Power Plan?"

"Yes, you can! But, like with everything else, you are limited by your Carbohydrate Maximum. Dry white or red wine (3 oz.) or Miller Lite beer (12 oz.) will cost you 3 or 4 effective carb grams, but are still reasonable choices as long as you count them in your daily totals. Hard liquor will cost you a lot of empty calories. Take it easy and count those carbs! Wine-in moderation-can even help improve insulin sensitivity."




Ray Audette –– Author of "NeanderThin":

"Don't Drink Alcohol"

"It is best not to consume alcohol in any amount from any source. Alcohol is a by-product of yeast digestion (the yeast equivalent of urine) and is known to damage the stomach, kidneys, and liver. Alcohol adds fat principally by producing cravings for both itself and other carbohydrates (see snack trays at any bar) and even other addictive substances (ask any former smoker.) It is almost impossible to drink alcohol and follow the hunter-gatherer lifestyle. If you must drink, do so only on special occasions (once or twice a year) and stick to alcohols derived from fruit (wine and champagne.) Be aware, however, that once you have been on the NeanderThin program for any length of time, drinking any form of alcohol could make you queasy. It is best to avoid alcohol altogether."
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Postby yoyogirl88 » Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:02 am

Wow that was a good read. I will still stick to my low-joule mixers and spirits. About the cowboys "Step AWAY from the cowboys.", I am a liquer lover but i have had to give them up. Cant stand vodka but if i drink 2 of them its going to be a cheap night because i wont drink anything else. It all depends on your exercise and your eating as well.
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Re: ALCHOL?? CAN I HAVE SOME PLEASE??

Postby anthony88 » Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:47 pm

what about vodka shots?? how are they for you?? my problem is that its me brothers 21st comin up soon and a friends 18th and i like to have a bit of alchol so i can have a good time without be so self concious
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Postby bferbear » Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:14 pm

Let your hair down and have fun. One or nights out a month where you cut loose are not going to hurt you too badly providing you are prepared to put the effort in the rest of the time. Look upon them as your reward for the work you are doing in other areas.
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