Athena wrote:Marylin Monroa was heavy built. Certainly not fat, but if she was alive today would she be called it? Our standards of beauty have definately changed. If this was the 19th century I'd be the most beautiful women alive.
It's quite strange. In Western culture, to be thin is to be beautiful, desired and perhaps even successful? In modern African societies (and even ancient), the bigger you are, the more beautiful you are - being larger is a sign of fertility and sometimes wealth.
In Victorian times, the larger you were, the richer you were and you were beautiful. I mean look at something such as the painting the Mona Lisa - she is not a tiny woman by any stretch of the imagination. That was the norm then - and she was considered beautiful enough to be painted and cast in history's mind for eternity.
Marilyn Munroe was indeed a size 14 in the day - and she was considered a freakin censored icon - the sexiest woman alive and the first woman on the cover of playboy (a magazine which is around to promote the beauty of a woman's figure). There's no way that if she wanted to rise to fame in today's society she would be considered striking or sexy. There are a few scatterings of internationally famous women who are big (e.g. Queen Latifa - size 16 - Beyonce Knowles - size 14 etc) but the enormity of movie stars are very very tiny - size 6 or below. And if they put on any type of weight they are criticized mercilessly - look at what happened to Tyra Banks - she is a supermodel, she put on some weight and she got eaten alive by the tabloids with them saying things like "Look at how she's let herself go!"
It is little wonder that there is an epidemic of eating disorders in western cultures because being painfully thin is recognised and promoted as being 'normal' when in fact it is a very small population of women who are naturally like that - and most have to work very very hard and sacrifice A LOT to stay that way! The average Aussie woman is a size 16, they all have cellulite and they all fluctuate weight wise. That's what's normal.
I think the important thing is to not think about it in weight or size or even shape - instead to think about it as health. I mean, you could be a perfectly healthy size 18 woman - you eat properly, exercise regularly, don't smoke and drink in moderation - and yet you will STILL be seen as 'fat' or even *incorrectly* 'ugly' by today's standards in our society.
It's all Barbie's fault.