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Postby CrimsonThunder » Thu Mar 26, 2009 11:05 pm

Well apparantly you're supposed to eat fat to stay healthy.

What types of foods with fat are healthy to eat? I had some chips (that i baked at home) the other day, they had 5 (grams i think) of fat per serve (and i had more than one serve, one serve is like 4 chips =/ who makes these things up) and i could barely eat them, i could feel the fat in my mouth. YUCK. Even though I baked them (woo, healthy) they still had lots of fat in them. Just imaging how much fat those deep friend ones have >.<
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Postby Jisgone » Thu Mar 26, 2009 11:35 pm

healthy fats are the ones in nuts, fish, avocado and those types of things!
not the horrible fats they add to chips, search healthy fats on google and youll find loads of helpful info :)
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Postby kristal » Fri Mar 27, 2009 12:15 pm

Jewles wrote:healthy fats are the ones in nuts, fish, avocado and those types of things!
not the horrible fats they add to chips, search healthy fats on google and youll find loads of helpful info :)


I was going to say the same thing - avacado and nuts are really great sources of fat.

Just like bananas are a "good" carb.
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Postby court » Fri Mar 27, 2009 12:42 pm

The "fats" in my diet include:

raw almonds
avocado
margarine (the healthier ones - i.e. i use meadlow lea extra light)
Light peanut butter
Kalamatta Olives

Hope this helps :)
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Postby [email protected] » Fri Mar 27, 2009 8:57 pm

Kristal,

Bananas are not good for loosing weight.

If you are trying to loose weight stay clear of bananas, especially ripe ones which have a high free sugar content and high glycemic load. If they are unripe then they have a higher starch content. Bananas do contain some fiber, vitamins, and minerals, there are other fruits that have much more going for them nutritionally and are also lower in sugar.

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Postby Jisgone » Fri Mar 27, 2009 11:08 pm

Any food is good for weightloss in moderation :)

Its a lifestyle change not a concentration camp!
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Postby EvilWombatQueen » Sat Mar 28, 2009 5:38 pm

I agree with Jewles. Bananas may be high in sugar but that doesn't necessarily make them bad for weight loss. The Australian Dietitians Association includes bananas in their sample 7 day weight loss program. Further, underripe bananas contain resistant starch which keeps the lining of the gut healthy (link). And bananas are digested slowly so they are a great source of energy. Dane, I appreciate that you have experience in physical training but can you cite the source for your claim that bananas have a high glycaemic load? Everything I've read classifies bananas as being low GI. Unripe bananas have a GI rating of 30 and ripe bananas have a GI rating of 51, which still puts them under 55 and means all bananas are low GI (link). Low GI foods release their sugars into the bloodstream slower than high GI foods and keep you feeling fuller for longer.

Of course this doesn't mean you should eat your own body-weight in bananas every day! But it is healthy to use them as one of your daily fruit servings and it won't prevent you from losing weight.
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Postby EvilWombatQueen » Sat Mar 28, 2009 6:54 pm

I just did a bit more research. GL ratings depend not just on the GI but the amount of carbs in a serving size. According to the University of Sydney GI database a banana with a GI rating of 51 has a GL of only 12.2 which I believe ranks it as medium GL (11-19).

The concept of GL makes sense in a way. Normal GI ratings go by one standard quantity of the food, they don't take into account the difference in average serving sizes of different foods. I don't know if I'd base my entire diet on low GL though. A glass of orange juice doesn't have many carbs in it so it has a low GL, but it's not going to keep you very full for long. I just looked up 'cream' in that same database and apparently ice-cream qualifies as low GL :shock: . Personally I wouldn't swap bananas for ice-cream in an effort to lose weight! :lol:

I guess the message is to keep your portions of bananas small if you're going to include them in your diet.
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Postby Jisgone » Sat Mar 28, 2009 7:39 pm

Thats the exact message :) everything in modertion!
This isn't a website aimed at athletes after peak physical performance, which seems to be the kind of people your advice is aimed at Dane, were just trying to lose weight and be a bit healthier.
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Postby CrimsonThunder » Sat Mar 28, 2009 9:39 pm

Everyone has their own opinion and own piece of advice, lets just hope this doesn't turn into an argument.
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Postby [email protected] » Sun Mar 29, 2009 1:14 pm

Jewels,
I specialise in training and coaching clients who are morbidly obese, I have saved people from themselves and those that take my advice do no fall off the wagon after a few months. They have a lifestyle change. I would think most were happy to sacrifice a banana or two for a few months. When my clients can manage their eating habits, bananas are once again enjoyed.

Yes I agree everything in moderation, but obviously there is no moderation otherwise this web site and my business would not exist. Neither would the $500Mil a year weight loss industry

Lets look at the advice taken from the ADA website

"Choose a variety of foods including plenty of breads, cereals, fruit and vegetables; moderate amounts of low fat dairy foods and lean meats or alternatives; and small amounts of polyunsaturatedor mono-unsaturated fats and oils.
'Hunger' is the best guide - eat when you feel hungry and stop when you are full. Be aware of eating when you are bored or eating out of habit, rather than when you are hungry. Keep a food diary to find out when this may be happening.
Some foods should be eaten occasionally rather than everyday. These include many takeaway foods (especially those that are deep fried). Pies, chocolate, sweets, pastries, biscuits, cakes and chips. It is OK to enjoy these foods once in a while.


If you cannot see the problems in this advice you will remain where you are. If you stay in your comfort zone nothing will change.

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Postby Jisgone » Sun Mar 29, 2009 1:35 pm

Im thrilled your plan works for your clients, but we arent your clients.
Everyone on here is losing weight in different ways which is why this website is great. We get loads of different opinions on different ways to lose weight and what works for some people and doesnt work for others. Im remaining in my comfort zone and im losing weight, im in no way remaining in the same place and plan on continuing to lose weight by eating everything in moderation including bananas. I understand you believe you're an expert in the field but we all have valid opinions and we wont always agree with what you say :)
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Postby EvilWombatQueen » Sun Mar 29, 2009 1:46 pm

I actually think the advice from the ADA is sound. The advice to keep a food diary and eat only when hungry is a good way to prevent over-eating or eating the wrong things too often. Both tips are used through most weight loss programs that don't involve dictating a set diet. If people followed this advice they wouldn't become obese in the first place.

For morbidly obese people I can understand the need to make dramatic changes to initiate weight loss as you suggest, Dane. Many low-carb diets eliminate certain foods totally for a few weeks then reintroduce them later and that method works very well for people who can stick to the program. I think the problem is when people advocate getting rid of healthy carbs like bananas permanently, and that's how your initial post came across. I'm glad you followed it up by explaining that you get your clients to reintroduce them after a few months. That makes total sense to me.

There are two very different viewpoints to losing weight: there's the 'dramatic change diet' where you go far outside of your comfort zone to lose a lot of weight quickly, this is usually followed by a less restrictive diet and exercise program to keep the weight loss off. Then there's the 'moderation' lifestyle change where you make small, permanent changes to lose weight slowly and keep those changes in place to keep the weight off. In this way you may appear to be staying in your comfort zone, but you're actually shifting the boundaries of that comfort zone so that good habits become comfortable and permanent.

'Moderation' followers accuse the 'dramatic changers' of following fad, or crash, diets. DCers accuse Moderates of being lazy. In the end it's just one side spouting propaganda against the other. Just because something works for one person doesn't mean it's the only way to lose weight.

At the same time I can see where the antagonism comes from. When a weight loss program is reduced to a mantra it's easy to find fault with it. 'Everything in moderation' is crazy unless you redefine moderation. Many overweight people got to where they were by thinking that their unhealthy diet was 'moderate' (I was one of those people). And low-carb advocates often forget to mention that the extreme diets they advocate are only meant to be followed for a few weeks or months before carbs are reintroduced in larger quantities. So one side picks up on the perceived faults of another and uses it to justify their opinion that the other weight loss method could never work.

I don't think either way is better than the other, personally. Each system will help a person lose weight provided they can stick to it. And whether you can stick to one plan or another depends on the individual. Which is why we'll always have hundreds of different weight loss systems out there.
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Postby [email protected] » Sun Mar 29, 2009 6:38 pm

EWQ,

Your comments are well recieved by me. To clarify, I do not restrict carbs or protein I just suggest when they are consumed. My clients have the daily recommended amount for their weight and the amount of exercise they will be undertaking that day. My clients also consume 6 meals per day (they do not starve). They do not have dramatic "BL" weight losses each week. We aim for 2.5kg for females and 3kg for men, regardless of age or starting weight. If one of my clients looses more than we expect we adjust either food intake or exercise so it is not 'Unhealthy". Weight loss is only part of our goal, we educate and re-train. We provide the healthy eating and exerices skills that our clients never had.

The ADA recommends you eat plenty of breads. If you can see the logic in this please tell me what it is as I'm stuffed what it is.
The ADA also recommends you only eat when hungry and stop eating when you are full. Honestly folks, if people stopped when full this forum would have 50% less members.

I have been a weight management specialist for over 16 years. I do not write books, I do not have a health shake named after me. I don not subscribe to the "BL" concept of TV ratings over health. What I have is clients who have changed their lives and have regained freedom, social acceptance and dignity.

If anyone can tell me how many "Biggest Looser" shake packets are made and consumed each day, I will shout you a week in Mudgee.

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Postby kristal » Mon Mar 30, 2009 3:29 pm

EvilWombatQueen wrote:I agree with Jewles. Bananas may be high in sugar but that doesn't necessarily make them bad for weight loss.


Exactly, I think experts can pick apart just about every food from every food group. But at the end of the day, if you were to pick up a banana over a meat pie - you are doing well.
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